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Where can I buy some saddle shoes?

I live VA but some links to sites are good.
& I have a 8, 8 1/2, or 9 size fit depending on the shoe.

http://www.payless.com/store/product/detail.jsp?skuId=005943070&productId=2076&subCatId=cat220010&catId=cat10088&lotId=005943&category=&catdisplayName=Womens+
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